ADVERTISEMENT

What is Chip Lindsey going to do ?

What is Chip's game plan for the UCLA game using a new, inexperienced QB who doesn't run the way Manny does but may be a better passer..??

I believe the Bruins defense is as good as the Trojans and will load the box to stop the Sun Devils running game and dare Brady White to beat them with the pass...

Am I right about that..??

Also, will Brady have enough composure and confidence to look like a quality QB against the Bruins or will it be a deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming truck look..??

The betting line started out with the Bruins favored by around 4-5 pts but it has since gone up to 10 pts which means there are a lot of bettors who don't give the Devils much of a chance in this game, given all the circumstances surrounding it...

On a different note, will the Sun Devil defense be able to rally at all against the Bruins by putting consistent pressure on Rosen and not giving up huge plays on a regular basis..??

Go Devils!!!

A Talent Evaluation

Tonight hurts, for a lot of reasons. I was hoping USC would come out flat and CTG would have us ready to go. He has an ability to really get the team focused for big road games. It doesn't always happen (obviously). I really wish he could figure it out so it happens more!!!

Anyway, I think much of tonight's loss was us laying an egg. It happens. I don't think USC is better coached. We know that USC has the best talent in the conference. Was thinking about how we stack up talent wise. Dust has taught us that "talent is destiny." This evaluation is from a recruiting standpoint, were our players considered USC level. Obviously some guys develop and turn out better than projected. I am just trying to look at the talent gap from a recruiting standpoint to see if we are on the right track.

QB-This is one of our deeper positions. I believe all three of our QB's were considered "USC level" coming out of HS. Manny and Brady were both Elite 11 finalists. DSC could have the most talent of the three. I think our QB talent is at a competitive level.

RB-Another deep position. Richard and Ballage are USC level talents. Ralston was not considered that level but I am excited about his potential. Lewis was probably considered USC level.

WR-Harry for sure is a USC level talent. Harvey was close. If he would not have been a plan A for SC seems like he would have been a solid Plan B. Tim White was a real hidden gem. I bet USC would take him now!!! Probably was not considered at that level though. I love Cam Smith but he would have been a Plan B at best. Ellis Jefferson is not a USC level, neither is Gammage. Chatman and the transfers are solid prospects and help solidify our talent at WR. With Norvell, I think this will be a strength for several years.

TE-Kohl is a great Sun Devil but was not a USC talent. Wilson is at that level (where was he tonight???). Hudson (never plays) turned down ND, he was close at the least. Epps is/was not an elite prospect.

OL-Seems like a drop off here. This also shows the weakness of this evaluation. Some of our best talent is young and not fully developed yet. Goodman was probably considered USC level. Sam Jones might be considered a plan B. McCollum was an under the radar guy. I like him but was not considered at that level. McCray would have been a plan B at best. Bailey was probably a plan B. Robertson is a USC level talent. Cabral is also. Future looks bright here but a definite source of current talent gap.

Overall on O, our skill position talent is at least in the conversation. There isn't an order of magnitude problem. This is encouraging because USC's skill position talent is a strength for them. No surprise on the O line but I do feel this is an area where our talent level is increasing.

DL-Another of our deeper positions. Smallwood and Wicker are USC level talents. I have been a little dissappointed with Smallwood so far this year but he was/is a solid prospect. Wicker is one of the better talents on our team. Wren is a USC level talent for sure. The Latu brothers have developed into solid contributors, especially Ami. Wished he could have played tonight but neither were considered by SC out of school. Interesting side note. The redshirt seniors this year are from CTG's first recruiting class which was probably a success but not at the level of subsequent classes. Lea is not a USC level talent. Crump would be at least a plan B. Our D line talent is comparable to our offensive skill position talent. It is at least in the conversation.

LB-Fiso would have been a plan B at best. He has really developed. I am sure they would take him now. Out of highschool though was not that big of a prospect. Calhoun was at the SC level. One thing to note about him. Might be similar with some of our other guys (Smallwood?), he had a really high recruiting ranking but was undersized. Not sure about Sam but they would take him now! Moek was not a SC level talent out of high school. Great Sun Devil and fills a niche in our D perfectly. Neither was Mendoza. Many were excited about Ball but I don't think USC did or would offer him. Looking forward, we are thin at LB but Thomas is an SC level talent.

DB-Biggest current talent gap. Orr is/was an elite prospect. Hayes wasn't even recruited as a DB. Perry was not considered elite (thought he had a really bad game tonight). Overall he has really developed into a solid player. Rhodes/Johnson/Robinson/Echols are not elite prospects. Echols might have been the highest rated prospect in our secondary. He is also probably our worst DB. Because he is only here for a year and came as a transfer after being a non-contributor, I am rating him as non-elite. Going forward, Lucas is at an SC level.

Overall our D talent is not at the same level as SC, except on the D line. Not surprising our D's performance.

Summary: I think our talent is improving. We probably won't ever have a talent parity with SC. Skill positions look good. We also have been able to put together a really solid LB core. OL is improving. Really need to improve our secondary talent.

Go Devils.
  • Like
Reactions: Cadeorade101

Tuesday Practice Report 10-4

ATTIRE: Helmets and pads
LOCATION: Kajikawa Practice Fields
MEDIA AVAILABILITY: ~ 15 minutes (no 11-on-11)
GUESTS: QB Bryce Perkins was there, as were scouts from the NFL's Buffalo Bills and Houston Texans
EN VERDE: DB James Johnson (one day, knee)

LIMITED: OL Tyson Rising, LB Christian Sam

OUT LAST WEEK: Christian Sam participated in stretches, but then went instantly to Muscle Beach and was on the bike. QB Manny Wilkins participated in the media availability session from what I saw, but had a heavy tape job on his left ankle.

OTHER INJURY NOTES: LB DJ Calhoun had a light tape job on his left wrist. LB/S Tyler Whiley had a club on his right hand, but looked like he participated.

PERSONNEL NOTES: Christian Hill, who has been with the offense since being part of the Sparky package during Texas Tech week, was back in a white defensive jersey. RB Jason Lewis was in a scout team jersey.

TAKEAWAYS

ASU again worked on forcing takeaways during the opening session, working on scoop and score drills like the one shown below.

Login to view embedded media
Also, Hill was shown above in that defensive jersey.

On the offensive end, they worked on ball security drills. As always, John Simon led the skill players through the gauntlet, with this week's message being "How are you going to respond?" (Obviously referencing last week).

Login to view embedded media
TACKLING

Before you make any jokes, yes, ASU did tackling drills again.

Defensive backs worked with tackling rings, while the defensive linemen worked on tackling scout team players onto a mat. Focus was on hitting low and pad level today.

As always, if there's any questions/comments/concerns, let me know.
  • Like
Reactions: Cadeorade101

USC Morning After Thoughts

Every season ASU gets absolutely dominated by someone. Usually two someones.

In 2012 it was Oregon and USC.
In 2013 it was Stanford and Texas Tech
In 2014 it was UCLA
In 2015 it was Texas A&M and USC

In 2016 it's USC again.

On the whole, ASU has been largely successful and competitive, but nobody likes getting their ass kicked. Ass-kickings remove credibility. This morning, everyone's still talking about Louisville's heart and grit even though they lost to Clemson. Despite the fact ASU beat Cal, who beat Utah, who beat USC, all people are saying about ASU is that they got exposed for what they really are.

Now, if your expectations were that ASU would be anything less than 4-1 at this point in the season, I'm not sure what there is to be upset about. You've been through a year of what an inexperienced offensive line can mean for an otherwise talented team. In 2008 Rudy Carpenter only threw 16 TD passes, and Dmitri Nance/Keegan Herring were held below 4 yards per carry on the season. ASU followed that up with a transition year at QB which led to the worst, least competitive season in recent memory. In 2016, Arizona State is going through both of those issues, and is 4-1.

This is largely due to Todd Graham's recruiting of both coaches and players. ASU is as good as it's been at QB, RB, WR, TE, and OL (outside of center) as I can ever remember, for now and the future. The defensive side of the ball is loaded with talent outside of the defensive backfield, and part of the reason the depth at DB isn't what you need it to be is because when Chris Ball was here, the philosophy was that they should be swinging for the fences. Jack Jones, Lamar Jackson, Brandon Burton, Byron Murphy, Parris Cobb, Jordin Parker, Shurod Thompson, JoeJuan Williams, and TreyJohn Butler were all Rivals250 guys I talked to about the fact that if not for Graham and Ball, they wouldn't have thought twice about ASU. You can throw Calvin Bundage in there as well.

Unfortunately, the "shoot for the moon, but end up in the stars" cliché isn't true in recruiting. 1) Because it's a scientifically ignorant expression- stars are much further away than the moon, and 2) recruiting is hit or miss. You miss, and you end up with underclassmen, Juco transfers, and position transplants manning a unit that serves as your most critically important for sustained success in this conference.

Right now, ASU doesn't have the personnel. Kareem Orr should be a nickel, on spot duty. Gump and Echols are hanging on like wet band-aids. Moekiola's physical ailments have changed who he is as an attacking tackler. James Johnson and Chad Adams can't earn their way onto the field without somebody else messing up. Robbie Robinson looks good, but they're as afraid to put him on the field as they were De'Andre Scott. The next tackle Chase Lucas makes will be his first. Kyle Williams is physically ready to be on the field, but a freshman in Pac-12 play with no experience at the position? They'll avoid that at all costs. Mo Chandler and J'Marcus Rhodes are here to help with big WRs, but tackling guys off screens, slants and crossing routes, as well as outright blowing coverages are the problem- not a bunch of Calvin Johnson types pulling down back shoulders and jump balls.

We did our best on this site to prepare you for a down year at QB, OL and DB. We've been pleasantly surprised at QB with Manny's unification of the team behind him, his quick delivery, early chemistry with N'Keal Harry, and ability to run. Manny seemed to be able to take punishment on his own terms, and while I believed that to be unsustainable, he's won games by extending plays. This would not be a 4-1 team without him at QB. The hits he was taking in the pocket, however, are some of the most brutal that I've seen. Wilkins was hit harder on three consecutive plays last night than I ever saw Berco get, save one time late in last year's Utah loss. Free rushers with free shots happens because you're outside of your gameplan, and if there's any problem to discuss, that's the one I want to get to.

Running backs touched the ball on handoffs nine times in a terrible first half against Cal. Last night a banged up Demario Richard and Kalen Ballage shared 13 carries. Nick Ralston took over duties when the game was out of hand, and nine of his 12 carries came in the 4th quarter.

"The running game wasn't working" isn't a proper excuse for abandoning the effort. If that were in any way valid, USC would have done the same after their first four carries went for -9 yards.

Then again, it's hard to say ASU even abandoned the running game. During their first 13-play drive, Ballage took two handoffs. On their three-play second drive that STARTED in USC territory, Richard took one handoff. He had two more carries on ASU's next nine-play field goal drive. Your best players combined for 5 touches on the first 25 play calls.

The commitment to their best feature isn't there. It wasn't there against Cal. It wasn't there last night. This is Mike Tyson going into the ring and refusing to use his right cross. This is Steph Curry passing up the open three. This just doesn't make sense for how this team is constructed. Manny Wilkins has too much responsibility, too early. As does N'Keal Harry. I think that's what happens when you start believing your own success instead of working with the hand you have and letting the chips fall where they may.

The hand ASU has is two of the best running backs in the conference, a QB that is dangerous in the option and screen game as a secondary option, and receivers who can make plays after the catch. This offense is one that Noel Mazzone dreams of having an infuriatingly boring set of five plays to get the job done with.

The other primary issue has been tackling. ASU as been doing a lot of rugby-style tackling practice- but when game time comes, players are diving for legs and trying to grab mobile quarterbacks up high. These are maddening, but fixable issues. Some you fix by putting players that can't get the job done on the bench for a while (Whiley), others is just a matter of showing them over and over again on film what a good and bad tackle attempt looks like. DJ Calhoun and Armand Perry are guys who will do everything right for 2-3 plays, and then on the 4th play they'll turn their head, lower the shoulder, and actually knock a tackler off a ballcarrier and free the runner up for an extra gain. I've personally witnessed Patterson and Slocum talking the players through this, and running through players is part of Rushing's pre-game warm ups out on the field for the DB group.

On the topic of Keith Patterson, I totally get the calls for his head. I'll maintain that this is a personnel issue, and I've heard from others that his strength is preparation. Todd Graham has said that their relationship has nothing to do with his position or the level of responsibility he's been entrusted with, but it's hard not to come to the determination that Patterson is a guy whose presence helps keep Graham comfortable, grounded and sane. He's not in the top 5 recruiters on staff. His schemes, if they are in fact his, are obviously not the strength of the team, so the question becomes 'who's accountable?' What's an acceptable amount of grace for someone to keep your head coach happy? In this specific instance, Keith Patterson had nothing to do with scoring six points at the half. It's easy to blame the defense when nine consecutive drives result in zero points.

UCLA is still a winnable game. Rosen is the least mobile FBS QB ASU will have faced. You have to tackle and run the ball though. It's that simple. Especially with Brady White at QB. This is still a team that in the win/loss column is outperforming expectations. There's not that much to be upset about, unless you let your hopes allow you to forget just who this team is this year. An inexperienced, talented bunch with a new coaching staff and deficits in the defensive backfield. The W/L column doesn't cover that up, it just has a tendency to make people temporarily forget.

Not a huge fan of this statement from Clay Helton

The 8-7 overall head of USC who makes $3.8 million per year gave an interview before half in which he said "I like the pressure that we're bringing, we're getting to the quarterback right now, being able to knock him out, we need to continue it."

I have further comments on the matter, but they're unbecoming for a gentleman.

7 Sun Devil Things To Watch For:

* Placekicker Zane Gonzalez needs two field goals to tie Florida State’s Dustin Hopkins with an NCAA-leading 88 field goals. He needs three to set the NCAA record. Gonzalez has 86 and is in third-place behind No. 2 Billy Bennett (87, of Georgia).
* Zane Gonzalez has scored at least one point in 44 straight games at ASU. The school record is 45 set by Luis Zendejas.
* ASU has 17 rushing touchdowns in 2016. ASU had 19 in all of the 2015 season.
* Running back Demario Richard needs 44 yards rushing to reach the 2,000-yard mark for his career.
* Running back Demario Richard needs 20 all purpose yards to reach 2,500 for his career.
* ASU is 21- of 21 in the red zone this year (16 TDs, five FGs).
* Wide receiver Cam Smith needs 105 yards receiving to reach 1,000 for his career.
  • Like
Reactions: Cadeorade101

Not-So-Flattering Notes from Saturday

Well, since I've researched the positive trends of the 3-0 and 4-0 starts, I ought to be equitable and research how some things from Saturday stack up to recent history.

For reference, Todd Graham has now coached 58 games at ASU.

The 21-point margin of defeat ties for the fifth-largest margin under Todd Graham at ASU:

1. 35 (62-27, UCLA 2014)
2. 28 (42-14, USC 2015)
3. 24 (38-14, Stanford 2013 Pac-12 Championship Game)
4. 22 (43-21, Oregon 2012)
5. 21 (41-20, USC 2016; 38-17, Texas A&M 2015; 38-17, USC 2012)

After USC scored at the 8:24 mark of the third quarter, ASU trailed by 35 as it was 41-6. That ties for the second largest deficit within a game that the Sun Devils have endured under Graham. The biggest was in 2012 against Oregon when the Ducks went up by 36 with a 43-7 lead after scoring with 11:33 left in the 2nd quarter. ASU also had 35-point deficits against USC in 2015 and UCLA in 2014.

ASU scored its first touchdown of the game at the 8:37 mark of the fourth quarter. This is the first game under Todd Graham at ASU that the Sun Devils failed to score a touchdown until the fourth quarter (not sure how far before Graham was hired that ASU last was held without a touchdown until the fourth quarter or an entire game). There are three other games in which ASU didn't score its first touchdown until the third quarter: Washington and USC in 2015 and the regular season game against Stanford in 2013.

ASU's 303 yards of total offense tie for the seventh lowest total under Graham at ASU:

1. 250, USC 2012
2. 257, Utah 2015
3. 285, Washington 2014
4. 291, Texas A&M 2015
5. 293, Utah 2013
6. 296, Missouri 2012
7t. 303, USC 2016
7t. 303, Oregon State 2012
ADVERTISEMENT

Filter

ADVERTISEMENT