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December 14th Recruiting Snapshot

With the dead period underway and the mid-year transfer signing period beginning as we speak, let’s take a look at how Arizona State is currently standing with its viable prospects at the various positions and how close are the Sun Devils to fulfilling their remaining needs in this 2017 recruiting class

We expect ASU to sign in the range of 22-23 players, and much like previous classes it’s possible that the 2017 class won’t reach that number until a few months following February’s National Letter of Intent day, as the Sun Devils try and add transfers from other programs.

Therefore, with presently ten total pledges on board, we could very see ASU add no more than ten signees between today and February 1st, 2017 and then survey the market for available transfers.

The approach is no different than last year’s class. ASU won’t fill this 2017 recruiting class with “warm bodies” just to get to 25 signees on NLI day. In order to reach that number of signees it would have to literally hit on each and every high caliber target on its board and the law of averages, if you will, is making that unlikely to happen.

Furthermore, to be able and have a class that’s 25 large ASU would have to have a higher than normal rate of attrition with its current players, another improbable factor in play.

ASU cannot count any mid-year signees back to the 2016 class. Thus, the 2017 class cannot exceed 25 players.

The National Letter of Intent day period for mid-year transfers begins on December 14th, 2016 and runs through January 15th, 2017.

The National Letter of Intent day period for all other prospects is on February 1st, 2017 (aka signing day) and runs through April 15th, 2017.

The commit list can be found here

The recruiting calendar can be found here (the recruiting dead period runs from December 12th through January 11th).

Let’s go position by position and see who is committed, and who are the Sun Devils’ viable prospects:

Quarterback

2017 Class Commits: Ryan Kelley, Blake Barnett (mid-year transfer)

Viable Prospects

None. Since both commits are expected to honor their pledge as well as the fact that ASU has four scholarship signal-callers returning, the Sun Devils will not pursue any other players at this position.

Running Backs

2017 Class Commits: Trelon Smith

Viable Prospects (ASU expected to sign no more than 2 running backs total)

Eno Benjamin – the four-star’s surprise unofficial visit to Tempe this past Saturday (and right before the recruiting dead period begun) is certainly a sign that ASU is in very strong consideration for this prospect. In my opinion, at this point, a commitment to ASU should probably come as no surprise. Benjamin, a high school mid-year transfer, is scheduled to announce at the Army All-American game on January 7th, 2017.

Offensive Line

2017 Class Commits: Corey Stephens

Viable Prospects (ASU expected to sign no more than 3 linemen total)

Austin Jackson – up until a few weeks ago it was believed that ASU was firmly in the lead for the local Phoenix North Canyon standout. Even after a December official visit to the school, however, the battle with USC for Jackson’s services is closer than ever. Since the linemen’s recruitment is very much under the radar and Jackson is one that is known to always keep his cards close to the vest, it’s hard to get a good read on which school may have the upper hand. If he were to officially visit the Trojans next month and delay his decision closer and closer to signing day, this may not go ASU’s way.

George Moore – the Washington State commit seems to like the attention he is getting from ASU, and regardless of any developments in Austin Jackson’s recruitment one can expect the Sun Devils to heavily pursue the junior college offensive tackle and bring him in for a January visit.

Tight Ends

2017 Class Commits: Jared Poplawski

Viable Prospects

None. With four returning players at this position and a 2017 class with more pressing needs at other positions, ASU will not seek out any other prospects at this role.

Wide Receivers

2017 Class Commits: Curtis Hodges

Viable Prospects (ASU expected to sign no more than 2 wide receivers total)

Stephen Guidry - the four-star junior college prospect visited ASU in November, will visit Mississippi State in January, and those two programs are the wide receiver’s announced short list. As we reported last month (and recently reconfirmed) due to more stringiest qualification requirements by the SEC for junior college transfers, it’s seemingly impossible for Guidry to be considered as a viable prospect by any program from that conference. This isn’t to say that you can book this recruit as an ASU pledge, but the Sun Devils are if nothing else in a good position to be successful in their quest to add Guidry to their ranks.


Joseph Lewis – needless to say that the five-star prospect from Los Angeles Hawkins is one of the most coveted prospects on the West Coast. All ASU can ask for is a chance to impress him and they will get that opportunity as he officially visits on January 13th.

Marlon Williams – the USC pledge from Alabama currently doesn’t consider himself a soft commit yet is all but a guarantee to visit Tempe in January. Offensive Coordinator Chip Lindsey’s relationship with Williams may just result in one the bigger surprises of this class, then again Williams is also scheduled to officially visit the Trojans closer to signing day.

Gavin Holmes – if his fellow Texan and former Iowa commit, Eno Benjamin, committed to ASU, then the Sun Devils can make serious inroads with Holmes. A January visit may take place regardless, but Holmes’ stock has been on a steady rise and there will never be a shortage of suitors seeking out his services.

Orange Bowl - Note to ASU: use your TE's like Michigan does

I cannot stand Michigan but they use their TE's more than any other team in the NCAA and their use of the TE bailed them out on multiple 3rd and 4th down conversions tonight against Florida State. Just 5-8 yard passes and they turn it up and gain 2-3 more yards before they are tackled. We better be looking at some film of this game and figure out how to integrate our TE's into our offense in 2017.
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Shakeup on ASU baseball staff

According to D1 Baseball, ASU pitching coach Brandon Higelin has been fired. Tracy Smith, who is the head coach, will double as the pitching coach for the 2017 season with a nationwide search beginning after the season is over.

Couple thoughts:
1. The timing is really odd with the season a month and a half away.
2. The timing may be weird, but the move makes sense. Even with names like Brett Lilek, Ryan Kellogg and Seth Martinez, ASU has finished in the bottom half of the PAC-12 each of Higgy's last two seasons and nobody has really developed. Even this season, there's no proven arm besides Eder Erives.
3. Having Smith step in for a year as a pitching coach isn't a bad idea. He's done it before in his career, and he's a former Cubs draftee as a pitcher. He has the pedigree.
4. Smith is known for being a great recruiter of talent, but this will be the first big test of whether he will be able to do so with coaching talent. This is the first big move of his tenure. They had the No. 1 recruiting class in the country this past year and have plenty of talented arms. It's just about polishing them into a competent staff that has depth.

On Barnett and Subtyl not being included in the commit list

I know this question was asked in one of the previous threads, but wanted to state the answer in a new thread so it would be easier to refer to.

Both Barnett and Subtyl are considered transfers, not prospects. Therefore there is no new profile created, and no inclusion on the commitment list.

To have a profile created and listed as a commitment, they would have had to play for a junior college program, and then be evaluated based on the merits of their play and potential coming out of that program.

In other words, if a prospect is to be listed on two different commitment lists in different years, he would have had to play both at the high school and the junior college level, and not merely attending junior college just to complete an AA degree and not playing even one down for that team.

This has been the long-standing policy of Rivals for 15 years concerning their database history of not including the thousands of transfers during that time on commit lists, and not ranking them. Russell Wilson, for example, was never on a Wisconsin commit list, because he transferred there from NC State.

Now, we are quite aware that other recruiting services are slapping old rankings on new profiles. In our opinion, we think that is a very flawed policy and thus not one that will be exercised here.

Of course, not having Barnett and Subtyl included in the commit list doesn't imply in any shape or form that the added value they will bring to ASU is minimal. Again, it's just keeping consistent with the Rivals policy on transfers.

On a somewhat related note, I will inquire about including DJ Davidson on the list since he wasn't a transfer but rather a prospect who enrolled one year later.

Hope this post helps clarifies the reasoning and I'm happy to answer any questions on this thread about this topic.

Undisputed

Was watching this show on Fox earlier and they discussed who was the better coach: Urban Meyer or Nick Saban..??

Shannon Sharpe (one of the hosts) and guest college football guru Joel Klatt picked Nick Saban, while the other host, Skip Bayless argued for Urban Meyer...

Obviously, you couldn't go wrong with either coach as they are both proven great coaches, who can elevate programs based on what they do...

The interesting thing they all agreed on are these three points that separate great coaches from the rest...

1) they have the right scheme in place and recruit well to that scheme

2) they are great motivators

3) they are great recruiters

They also talked a lot about how each coach was very good at making adjustments to their programs when needed and gave the hiring of Lane Kiffin by Nick Saban at Alabama as one prime example...

Saban knew that he needed to upgrade his offensive philosophy so got Kiffin on board...

And, we all know the conversations we've been having about our coach and his defensive philosophy...

They also talked about how Urban Meyer runs his Ohio St offense, both behind the scenes and from the sidelines during games, and is very successful at it...

And, we also know that Todd does the same thing on defense for the Sun Devils...

My question to all of you is whether Todd would be having the same defensive problems at a place like either Alabama or Ohio St since they never really have personnel problems because they get a lot of elite recruits to come to their schools...??

I think Todd is a good to very good coach but he sure messed up the past couple of seasons and, like you, I'm anxious to see how he deals with his defensive philosophy and whether his coaching staff can bring in enough help this recruiting cycle to get the Sun Devils back on track...

Go Devils!!!

ASU Hockey @ DU in 9 days! January 6 and 7.

Thought I'd post this again if there are any locals or people who will be in Denver in 9 days.

ASU Hockey is coming back to Colorado!

We've established an ASU section for both games on Friday & Saturday, January 6-7. Seats are lower level behind the "ASU Shoots Twice" goal and can be purchased NOW at a reduced price of $21 per.

Head to the link below and type in promo code: ASUHOCKEY (in all caps). It will then take you to choose between both games, and then subsequent screens will let you pick seats and pay.

ASU Hockey @ DU in January

What is a Meaningless Bowl Game ?

If it is meaningless to you it has to be meaningless to everyone ?

(I have watched 0 games so far and expect it will be less than 10 when they have all been played)

Is it the record of the teams playing ?

Is it the number of people who attend ?

Is it the day that it is played on ?

Is it the TV rating ?

Many will say all of the above.

Who does this game hurt ?

I did not follow the Minnesota situation, but near as I could tell it was due to player suspensions not the game itself.


Now for my solution:

Like many; increase to 8 for the playoff (that would be 7 games total right). I cant decide it it should be the 5 power five champs and 3 at large or 8 at large. I am leaning 8 at large.

I would increase the regular season by one game and make strength of schedule very important to my choice of teams.

There is almost a month between the last regular season game and the semi's. I would cut that to 2 weeks but have two weeks between each of the next game.

I would have 6 more bowls game; the sites selected upon research on which cites bring out the most people.

Like my tax plan this has many flaws and what ifs

Rivals vs Scout Player Rating

From time-to-time I look at Scout to see how they rate the players ASU is recruiting. On the football side Scout is not that much different on most of the players. On the basketball side Scout ranks all three of our 2017 commits as 4 stars. Rivals only ranks one with a 4 star. Does anyone know why the difference. Perhaps this has been discussed at length before, but I would like to know. Thanks.

Fire Arians

What was he thinking of calling a run after they just stopped Seattle on 4 downs with seconds left on the clock. If the Cardinals lose by 3 points you can blame him. What an egotist. It reminds me of years ago, I think it was against Oregon. Snyder calls a handoff, we fumble and lose the game. All we had to do is kneel down. That is what Arians should have done.

Sleeper Alabama OL hoping for Sun Devils offer

I recently caught up with unranked 2017 state of Alabama offensive lineman Mason Langley to get the latest on his recruitment. He's a guy who has netted five offers in the past few weeks and a several other schools seem to be checking him out. Arizona State appears to be one of them. Obviously this seems like a long shot, but I wanted to pass it along as a name to tuck away down the stretch just in case.

Here's what he had to say:

In His Words: "All my coaches are expecting some bigger offers. I played well in the state championship game and we’ve been getting good feedback from coaches. I’m talking to Arizona State right now. They pulled my transcript and stuff so I think I might be getting an offer from them. I don't know a lot about them but that would be a big offer for me. I think I fit in pretty good to their offense. We run sort of a zone-blocking offense so the steps and my role would be kind of similar. But I think I can adapt to any type of offense.

You can read the complete update and watch his senior film here.

Minnesota, with 31 days to prepare for Wazzu

and missing 3 of their 4 starting DBs (who were suspended) and I believe they lost yet another DB to injury during the game. (They also had 2 less bowl practices than Wazzu due the the boycott).

The result......Falk was 21-34 for 154 yards, no TDs, no INTs thru 3 quarters, 190 passing yards until the prevent defense with 2:00 minutes left and a 17-6 lead allowed him to get to 30-51 for 264, 1TD and 1 INT

I'm doubting that Minnesota's 3 backup DBs are better than 3 of our starting DBs

Wazzu averaged over 40 ppg over the regular season and were held without at TD vs Minnesota

A source tells me that Paul Lucas...

...wants to get as close to home as possible after transferring from Oregon State. I'd be a little surprised by Arizona State taking that chance after what Lucas pulled on signing day 2015,

NAU or San Diego State seem to make more sense. I know there was some question about whether he'd go JuCO, but I don't believe he'd be able to play at the JuCo level since he played as a freshman and sophomore in Corvallis.
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